'Turning
50? It's better than the alternative'
In Stardust, Michelle
Pfeiffer plays a witch who craves the
beauty of youth. It couldn't be further
from the truth, she tells Harriet Lane
Michelle
Pfeiffer didn't plan to take a
four-year sabbatical. It just sort of
happened. "Honest
to God, I got busy." With
what? "Life,"
she says. Throughout her 20s and into
her 30s, she says she fell apart between
projects, and downtime filled her with
horror. "My
dad used to say, 'An idle mind is the
devil's playground,' and I was certainly
a more balanced person when I was working.
Acting's an odd profession for a young
person; it's so extreme. You work, and
the conditions are tough and the process
is so immersive, and then it stops, and
then there's nothing. So you have to find
ways of making you feel productive when
you're not actually producing anything.
For a young person, that's really challenging."
But now, she says, her off-duty life
is full to bursting with family and domesticity.
"I feel I have
to go back to work to get some rest, because
I find real life so exhausting. Incredibly
fulfilling - but just so exhausting,"
she says. For the first time in her life,
she says, she has interests: she paints
a bit, "and
the other day we were driving in the car
and I said to David [E Kelley, her husband],
'You know, I kind of wish that I had become
a scientist.'" She mimes an
incredulous sideways glance. "But,
you know, the science section is my favourite
bit of the New York Times. I get so excited
on Tuesdays when it comes out."
In 2002, Pfeiffer and Kelley, the writer/producer
behind LA Law,
Chicago Hope
and Ally McBeal,
moved with their two children, now teenagers,
to a ranch in northern California. But
Pfeiffer wasn't simply moving away from
Los Angeles, which she describes as "too
darn crowded, with too much traffic, and
the paparazzi have lost their minds, so
I don't want to be there";
she was also in the process of detaching
from the movie industry. Having built
a career on a killer combination of nervy
froideur and sultriness - qualities that
left scorchmarks on Scarface,
Dangerous Liaisons,
The Fabulous Baker
Boys and Batman
Returns - she changed pace and
direction. Her children were pre-schoolers,
and she showed up in a few movies a year,
mostly overwrought hankie-flutterers such
as I Am Sam,
The Deep End of
the Ocean and The
Story of Us.
As
her children grew, her output dwindled.
After White Oleander
in 2002, she lost her appetite for work
altogether. "I
wasn't reading anything that I wanted
to commit to. But it's hard to know if
I was being dismissive because maybe,
subconsciously, I was ready to take a
break. I'm always inclined to talk myself
out of work, though," she
adds, shrugging. "It's
a strange thing that I do. I get cold
feet. I overthink."
In the past, this caution has led to
some eccentric, even clumsy career choices.
Pre-kids, Pfeiffer turned down Basic
Instinct, The
Silence of the Lambs, Sleepless
in Seattle and Thelma
& Louise; and yet despite this
talent for self-sabotage, and despite
embarrassments such as Up
Close and Personal and Dangerous
Minds, she remained - and still
remains - a cast-iron movie star in the
grand style: a creature with unearthly
looks and lashings of old-fashioned screen
magnetism, qualities that have sometimes
drowned out her considerable talents as
an actress.
There's a caution, too, in the roles
that have tempted her back into the industry:
bumper-sized cameos in ensemble pieces,
such as icy racist Velma von Tussle, the
darkest note in last summer's sunny remake
of Hairspray.
Next up, she is easily the best thing
in the vast cast of Stardust,
an epic fantasy in the tradition of The
Princess Bride and The
Neverending Story. It's an orgy
of highly-coloured spectacle: fallen stars,
ghost princes, poisoned chalices, plumed
horses, enchanted forests, voodoo dolls,
sky pirates, gypsy caravans, Victorian
corsetry and unicorns. Fortunately, Pfeiffer
pitches it just right - lots of welly
- as Lamia, a 5,000-year-old witch hellbent
on recapturing her vanished youth and
beauty. For much of the movie she has
a complexion like a crocodile handbag
and a matted hairdo, but in one thrilling
sequence, she drops several millennia
in the blink of an eye and, examining
her restored glamourpuss reflection in
a mirror, smoulders with triumph and satisfaction.
But
hey, it's a provocative role for a 49-year-old
former beauty queen to pick, isn't it?
Perched on a sofa in Claridges, Pfeiffer
- gauzy grey Vena Cava minidress, Prada
cardie, fetish platforms - winces a bit,
and says that although Lamia was a great
character, she was definitely "not
in my comfort zone". When
she met Matthew
Vaughn, aka Mr Claudia
Schiffer, he explained that he
wanted "to
do a social commentary on, you know, our
obsession with youth and perfection and
beauty, and what he saw as the extremes
that women go to in order to obtain that,
to retain it. Well, when he explained
that, I thought, 'Ooh, that's kind of
risky. Now, all I'm going to be asked
about is ageing.' I knew what I was taking
on but it's not really a subject matter
you want to spend a lot of time talking
about - or thinking about, frankly."
This sounds a bit ice-queeny, but in
fact she's fairly open, unprickly on the
subject. "Well,
it's that number, you know,"
she says, of her next birthday. "A
big one! Still, it's better than the alternative,
right?"
Though she says she toys with the idea
of surgery, she has apparently held off
this far (if she has had work, it's brilliant.
Her face has none of the "stuck"
look associated with lifts, fillers and
Botox). She runs six miles a day, eats
the usual ghastly diet - avoiding wheat,
dairy and sugar - and claims to have made
her peace with the inevitable. "There's
a hump you get over once you accept that
your face will show signs of ageing, and
will continue to show signs of ageing,"
she says. "Those
first initial signs are the most upsetting.
But yes, I'm over the hump, and I move
further away from it every year."
Having
said that, she says skincare ads turn
her brain to mush. "I
see commercials and they're very convincing.
'Oh, I'd better get that cream, I'm going
to really regret it if I don't.' I have
so many products, I'm not kidding you,
and you have to be a chemist to figure
out how to use them, and anyway, they
all give me a rash. So I certainly feel
the pressure that women feel and at times,
it's a struggle. But the older I get,
the less of an issue it becomes. The people
you love get seriously ill, the people
you love die ... You see people struggling
with real issues and that puts things
into perspective."
The daughter of an air-conditioning salesman,
Pfeiffer grew up something of a handful
in Midway City, California, where she
messed around with truancy, drink and
drugs. After winning the Miss Orange County
beauty pageant in 1978, she inched her
way into showbusiness with roles in CHiPs
and Fantasy Island.
Her first lead role in 1982's Grease
2 (a stinker, but the New York
Times commented on her on-screen ease
and insouciance) led to Brian
De Palma's Scarface,
where she was transfixing as Al
Pacino's junkie wife.
When asked to pick her favourite performance,
she uneasily adjusts her position on the
sofa. "Well
... I don't think I can."
The only time she watches her films is
right after they're finished, and all
she can see at that point are her mistakes.
"I'm probably
too close to be objective."
This discomfort stays with her for years,
which means that when a film comes on
television years later, she can't change
channels quickly enough. She does a comic
little self-parody for me: frantic, jabbing
madly at the remote. But she's starting
to realise that maybe she's not being
fair to herself. "Recently,
we were channel-surfing, and Married to
the Mob was on, and I, of course, hated
my performance in the movie. But my kids
had never seen it, and so I let it play
for a little bit. And I'm watching it,
and I'm thinking, 'You know, I'm actually
not that bad in this! Actually, I'm kind
of funny!' And so who knows how I'll feel,
if I let that much time go by before I
revisit all those movies."
Pfeiffer
has always struggled with perspective,
it seems. Her tendency to agonise and
to doubt still clouds her enjoyment of
her career, but the insecurity is no longer
as crippling as it once was. "I've
learned to live with it, just as I've
learned to live with a few wrinkles. I'm
just not that objective about my own work.
Inevitably, I like a performance that
nobody else does, and the performances
that other people like I think stink.
So I've learned not to trust my own instincts."
Children, and the realisation that she
badly wanted them, shook her out of the
spiral of self-absorption. Her daughter
was adopted in 1993, just as she and Kelley
were getting together (their son was born
a year later). "By
then I had started to find ways to balance
myself out a bit. I'm glad I waited. In
fact, that was why I made a conscious
decision to start a family. I knew I was
ready. I wanted something else to focus
on. Work wasn't doing it all for me any
more."
She's still hard on herself, but parenthood
"has pulled
my focus. I just can't worry about myself
so much. I'm a much more balanced person
in that way now - more forgiving."
But she still requires delicate handling.
"See, this
is still a problem. Directors have to
be very careful with me. On Stardust,
because of the special effects and the
location work, we had a fair amount of
dubbing. But when I get on the [recording]
stage, I begin to want to change everything.
And Matthew was lovely because he really
humoured me. Of course, he didn't really
use any of my suggestions, but he let
me go through the process while he just
nodded and went, 'Mmm, OK, I'll look at
that.' That's
what I need! But at least I can laugh
at myself now," she adds,
proudly. "I
couldn't do that before."
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