THE STORY OF HER
Michelle
Pfeiffer, the movies' most mysterious superstar, talks about her
new romantic comedy, The Story Of Us; the perils of the Internet;
and what she means by 'semiretirement'
By Robert
Abele
Photographed by Brigitte Lacombe
Michelle Pfeiffer may joke about the
secret to aging gracefully in Hollywood-"Don't
look in the mirror!" she blurts out, laughing-but somehow
you know this really won't be a problem for the 41-year-old actress.
Few above-the-title movie stars of either gender have so firmly
established the kind of acting credentials (three Academy Award
nominations, for Dangerous Liaisons,
The Fabulous Baker Boys, and
Love Field) that allow career
longevity and killer looks-in Pfeiffer's case, a transcendently
feline visage-to coexist. (Let's face it: Her justly lauded Catwoman
in Batman Returns was, for all
intents and purposes, crafty typecasting.)
According to Michael Hoffman, who
has directed her at her most harried and contemporary (One
Fine Day) and her most hypnotically radiant (A
Midsummer Night's Dream), Pfeiffer's screen power is akin
to Greta Garbo's. "There's
such a perfection to her beauty, and at the same time a kind of
impenetrable melancholy," he says. "Because
of her superior architecture, people have an anxiety about her being
cold or distant, but she's so much the opposite of that. She's got
a lot of soul and depth."
Lately, the former Southern California checkout girl and beauty-pageant
queen has been on a mother kick, both in movie roles and in real
life. Pfeiffer's emphasis on maintaining a smooth-running family
with her TV impresario husband, David E. Kelley
(Ally McBeal, The
Practice, Chicago Hope),
and their kids, Claudia, six, and John,
five, has coincided with a spate of maternally inclined films. These
include the missing-child saga The Deep
End of the Ocean, as well as such lighter fare as One
Fine Day and her upcoming fall release, The
Story of Us, a divorce-themed comedy directed by Rob
Reiner and costarring Bruce Willis.
Regarding the latter film, Reiner hints that you can see a bit of
the real Pfeiffer, a.k.a. the Mom and Wife (though he's not referring
to the film's shouting matches and splitsville theme): "Talk
about being the designated driver in [her] own
marriage," he says of the Pfeiffer-Kelley union. "Michelle
is, according to her, very much that way. She's very detail-oriented,
organized, and everything's together. There's a lot of Michelle
in that character, a very regular, down-to-earth person."
At a seaside Santa Monica hotel, a casually radiant Pfeiffer, sporting
a summer-mom look-sleeveless white top, olive-green pants, and pulled-back
hair-settles down to talk about movies and her family. Having wrapped
The Story of Us in late spring
and set to begin Robert Zemeckis's
What Lies Beneath in a few weeks,
this dedicated mother recently hasn't had as much home time as she'd
like, so she's doing her best to "lay low." And as she
explains here, movies will be always a part of her future, but laying
low might well become her new priority.
The three big names involved in The
Story of Us are real-life veterans
of divorce: you (from Peter Horton),
Bruce Willis (well, almost), and Rob
Reiner. Did this make for interesting discussions
on the set?
Mine was so long ago, I can't remember the dynamics of it! [Laughs]
You know, we pretty much kept our inspirations to ourselves and
let it fly. We talked about each scene having a different level
of anger... depending on the different phases of the relationship
and [the characters'] ages. You know, the fights take on certain
characteristics the longer you've been together. We pretty much
knew where we were going every day.
This movie examines the fine line between
acknowledging and harping on your beloved's flaws. When you signed
on, were the husband's and wife's points of view balanced to your
liking?
In the beginning, she might have been a little more strident. It's
sort of the cliché, you know, that women nag, so the challenge
was bringing a level of empathy to her. What makes a woman nag?
"Well, 'cuz you turn us into your mother!" [Laughs] I
just didn't want [my character] Katie to be a downer.
The source of the couple's friction is that
husband Ben is the carefree dreamer while wife Katie is the realist,
the unwavering schedule-keeper. Since you're a self-professed control
freak, like Katie, what insight do you have into such folk that
others don't?
I was just thinking about that this morning. Being a control freak
is another version of being a perfectionist, really. On the other
hand, than God we have them because they keep the world moving forward
and progressing. But on the other hand, they're the biggest pains
in the ass.
In your own marriage, if you're more like
Katie, what does that make David?
Well, he's a lot more fun than me. But I want to be more like Ben,
and I think I'm more like Ben than I've ever been in my life.
Becoming a mother didn't turn you into a
responsibility machine?
You know what? You have to give up control when you have kids. It
will kill you. It is such an improvisation, and they challenge you
so much every single day.
You've played a mother in four of your last
five films. Were those conscious decisions?
I just chose the projects because I liked them, and I happen to
be at an age where I'm more right to play a mother. Of course, when
I did The Witches of Eastwick,
I was how old? In my 20s? And [my character] had five children!
[Laughs] I hadn't a clue about how to be a mother and what that
meant. Now I know what I'm doing. I think there's a way you deal
with children that's just different. When I look back at myself
in Witches, oh, brother! I was sort of one of the children.
Does that make it harder to watch again?
Well, actually, I don't ever watch my movies once they're out anyway,
so...
What happens when you're flipping channels
and you catch one?
I just go by it...Ugh! Scary!
Do Claudia and John ever see your movies
on TV?
No, because I'm pretty strict about the television. Actually, I've
had to educate them a little bit because now they're in school,
and their friends have seen more of my work than they have, and
that is a bit of a problem. I haven't made that many movies that
are appropriate for them to see, but I showed them Grease
2, and they kind of got bored with it. Actually, it's good
they're seeing it now, when they don't really know how bad it is.
[Laughs]
Is there a portion of your brain still relegated
to remembering the lyrics to you Grease
2 solo number, "Cool Rider"?
I know most of them. And, no, I will not sing it for you.
You were a bit more successful when you slithered
on Jeff Bridge's piano singing "Makin'
Whoopee" in The Fabulous
Baker Boys. How did you make it look
so effortless?
It was a little tricky. We had to work out the heels, and the slippage,
and getting up and getting down. The day we shot, it really hit
me that I had to actually be on top of the piano singing, and I
thought how foolish I was going to look. I shared my reservations
with Steve Kloves, the director. He
said, "I promise I will not embarrass you." So I did it.
And he didn't.
Let's imagine something called The Fabulous
Baker Girls starring you and your sister DeDee. Who would the boy
be?
I don't know, Ricky Martin? [Laughs]
Good casting. Your upcoming film with Harrison
Ford, What Lies Beneath,
is a scary supernatural thriller. Do you generally like fright flicks?
I do, and you know, they don't make a lot of truly scary movies
anymore. They make movies with shock value, gross movies, but there
aren't a lot of suspenseful scary movies, which I grew up with.
I would love to be able to revisit that. Scream was sort of both.
Scream genuinely scared me.
Scary movies can get pretty racy these days,
but it strikes me that you've rarely done nudity in films.
I can count twice, really: Tequila Sunrise,
and I did a little heinie shot for Into
the Night.
That said, you've got little to worry about
as your kids become more familiar with Mom's past. What was the
motivation behind your no-nudity policy?
Now the reason is my children, but back then it was my father. He
would have disowned me. My dad would have killed me.
What are you thinking when you see other
actresses do nude scenes?
I don't like seeing actresses exploited, but I also think that nudity
is life and art is imitating life. I have the utmost admiration
for women who are uninhibited and proud of their bodies. I am not
one of those women, and I think if I felt better about my body I
would have probably done more nudity. [Smiles sheepishly; pauses]
Maybe it had nothing to do with my father. [Laughs].
As somebody who makes a living in film, yet
is raising two children, are you appalled by or in favor of the
recent crackdown on movie violence?
I'm for it. You know, studios and advertising people and networks
and sponsors are willing to pay a lot of money for advertising because
they know how much it influences people and children watching TV,
and yet they're not willing to admit that violence that comes into
the home has an effect on children. You can't have it both ways.
But your resume does include an iconically
hyper-violent film, Scarface.
It's an established favorite of gang members.
Yeah, but that was also anti-drug, and it's an adult movie. In a
way it spiraled out of control at the end, but I think that was
also the effect they were going for. You know, the other thing is,
it used to be that you could somewhat control and protect children
from these types of movies, and that's not the case anymore. The
accessibility of these movies to children didn't used to exist.
There's also the Internet, which has grown so rapidly that there
are no laws, really, to protect children.
Are you Internet-savvy?
No. I've actually been on the Internet twice.
Were these purposeful missions?
I did some research on tsunamis. The other time, I was looking up
alternative options to gardening, without harsh pesticides. That
is an overwhelming website.
Whoa, go back: tsunamis?
I have these recurring tidal-wave dreams. It's my big fear in life,
and somebody said, "You know, if you're really afraid of something,
learn as much as you can about it, and it dispels your fear."
Can you describe these dreams?
It's always a little bit different. But it's always somewhere near
the beach. There's a big wave coming, and I know it's coming. Nobody
else does. And no one will listen to me, of course. This is the
control-freak part! [Laughs] It's the water. It's sort of...so intimidating
for me. The unpredictability of the ocean and the sea. I just don't
like it that much.
Wait a minute. You grew up in California's
Orange County, as a beach kid, hanging around surfers-
I know, but I didn't go in the water. I liked to sit on the shoreline
and look out at the water.
What did you learn, then, from your website
detective work?
Quite a bit. If I go someplace where they've been hit by tsunamis,
I'll know where all the evacuation routes are. And it's helped-I'm
not quite as afraid.
Better living through Internet research.
Doesn't it make you want to explore more?
If I had time on my hands, I would be one of those people who was
only on the Internet, because first of all, I'm really happy to
be alone. And I love research and gathering information. I think
that's what intrigues me about acting. But it's a good thing I don't
have too much time on my hands.
Are you saying mom duties might be neglected?
Really. [In a pleading-child's voice] "Maahhhh-mm, I'm hungry!'
[Switches to a glazey-eyed cyberstare; gestures dismissively to
an imaginary offspring] "uuh-huhh, there's some baloney in
the refrigerator."
So you haven't checked out your fan websites?
[Shakes her head] I'm so afraid to go there. I know my head is on
some naked body that's not mine. Somewhere. And I don't want to
know. And they have my age wrong. I know that. They have me a year
older than I am.
For the record, how old are you?
I turned 41 in April.
Glad to clear that up. Now, when it comes
to acting, how has motherhood affected your priorities?
In many ways, before I had a family, making movies was my family.
It was so much how I defined myself. I still love making movies,
and I still take a lot of pride in them, but I take more pride in
my role as a mother and a wife.
Do you see yourself eventually making fewer
movies?
Yes, I do. I'm dissolving my production company. I just don't want
to be that busy. [Pause] I'm scaling down.
Does this mean retirement speculation will
swirl around you again?
Nobody ever really took me seriously when I would say, "Oh,
I'm gonna retire"-until I had children. But no, I don't think
I'll ever retire, because I love working. I've worked since I was
13, and I'm a firm believer in people who define themselves by the
work they do. I'm not really happy or fulfilled unless I feel as
though I'm contributing to something. But I'm going to do less.
Does your husband's ever-increasing workload-overseeing
five series this coming season-help take the pressure off?
It certainly gives me the freedom to work or not.
Maybe you could scale way, way back and only
make special appearances on his TV shows.
I actually did that on Picket Fences.
I surprised him. Did it behind his back.
Recap, please.
My husband is a really big practical joker, and [one of the Picket
Fences directors and I] planned to get back at him. It's
the episode where the masseur dies a mysterious death, and they
have to interview all these women, and I'm one of the women. I snuck
in on the set, did my little thing, and left. And then a lot of
time went by, and I had forgotten about it, and I was in the bedroom
breastfeeding John when [David] came back after seeing the first
cut. He said, "Is there something you want to tell me?"
[Laughs].
Well done. It's hard to plan a stunt like
that when you're working out of town, though, and What
Lies Beneath is shooting in Vermont.
How did you let this happen?
I would have preferred to wait, but the opportunity presented itself
to work with Harrison, and Zemeckis
is such a visionary. And we've worked it out so I'm not away for
more than three weeks at a time, and the separations won't be more
than maybe for days. The first three weeks the kids will come, then
I come back to Los Angeles, then I go, then they'll come for part
of that and then I'll come back. [Pause] I've really micromanaged
this.
I was going to ask what special challenges
this movie will present, but I think I know.
Stamina! Can I be in every scene in a movie-it's very physical-and,
you know, still be a mom and do all of that? It's going to be very
tiring.
Last subject: How do you feel about your
salary in Hollywood?
How can I explain?
Some people still complain, you know, equal
pay-
You know what? I think that gap is closing. There are actresses
whose movies are making as much or more than some of the actors',
and their salaries are showing that. So I think that it's equaling
out. I mean, I don't really follow it that much because I'm not
interested in it.
For you, Dangerous
Minds was a big step in that respect
because you were the only star in it.
True, true. But it also didn't open to $50 million, and the people
who are making what you're talking about--$20 million a movie-their
movies open to those kind of numbers, and think those people deserve
a different salary.
Well, now that you're gonna be in a movie
with Harrison Ford, are you thinking,
"Wow, I have a shot at being in one of those movies that opens
at $40 million"?
Yeah, but [laughs] I'll be semi-retired so it won't matter!
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