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Michelle PfeifferAfter a week off, such as I wrote on the main page I needed a break, PfeifferTheFace finally comes back with the interesting interview with Michelle Pfeiffer which did so much stir among PFANS… for that reason, because it is talked about us: PFANS wrote with PF.

Well, now I have to be sincere, one of the reasons because I needed an exhale was this interview… perhaps it did that I feel a bit more sensitive regarding this site and regarding of being a “pfan”, it made me think a lot about it…

… and besides you know, after all the work made during these last months here, you have been able to prove it —and now I’m exhausted… tired…— so for that reason I’ve been thinking about if it compensates me, you know, my time, my pocket, my relationships, my friendships… my life… so it is the reason because I’ve had to close the forum (it has been so hard work daily to maintain it, and it isn’t worth it because it doesn’t compensate to me)…

… and so with this sensitive feeling with the site in my mind, I’ve to add that I felt after a first read of this interview published by The Washington Post [you can read below]… so maybe my feelings were a bit more desolated… I felt a bit dissapointment…

And only, ONLY thanks to those pfans who are donating and supporting this site I thought on keep on the work, at least maintaining the main site… I think it is fair.

Well, let’s come back to the main question of this post: the “famous” interview with Michelle Pfeiffer:

I’ve been studing this interview, and when I read it for umpteenth time I felt a bit more relaxed… besides I’ve read the comments of pfans around it, so I’d like to comment about it now.

In the first place I’ve to say I’ve read a lot of bad things regarding the journalist… well, actually, that I think that the journalist is a Pfeiffer fan, not a pfan, but a fan. I think that he did his homework regarding the interview, and he did really interesting questions… questions that the most of us whish to know, at least I do. I think it is a very good interview.

Your golden age was 1987 to 1993“… OMG! I think so too… Isn’t it true? please, let me know the good movies of Michelle or her great successes since the middle nineties… (not your fav movies, but the good movies… of course). And the only reason of it is because she has wanted so…

I’d like to remember the part of a review by Brian D Johnson from Mcacleans.ca (in a review of Chéri) where it is talked about it, I think the critic describes very well that:

“Meryl Streep may be the designated Best Actress of Her Generation. But I’ve always thought Michelle Pfeiffer could be at least as good if given the same opportunities. She’s never had a chance to prove her full range, because her roles have been constricted by a handicap or two. The main one, of course, is her distracting beauty, which is devastating on screen—and off. [...] Pfeiffer’s other handicap has been her apparent lack of ambition. After a string of electric performances in the 1980s, from Scarface to The Fabulous Baker Boys, for the past two decades she has kept her career on cruise-control, taking on safe, undemanding roles while focusing on her family. But that lack of obvious ambition is also what makes her such a good actor. Unlike her beauty, her acting is always invisible. With Streep, you often feel you’re watching a performance, and there’s a something showy about the way she carves out a big scene, whether she’s doing comedy (The Devil Wears Prada) or drama (Doubt). But Pfeiffer’s style is modest to a fault. [...]

Pfeiffer could have got the most brilliant career in Hollywood if she had wanted! So please, don’t let’s hit the ceiling when we read “Your golden age was 1987 to 1993” beacuse is really true!

You know, I love Michelle as an actress and of couse I really admire her… but that sentence is also true, and I’ve to accept it. The journalist has simply said that many of us think but anybody have never said.

Later I began to feel really proud because you can prove that the journalist has visited this site before making the interview: “The people whose pfoolish hearts pfell pfor you, your pface, your pfilms, etc…”. And of course we can be really sure that he has read our comments and thoughts and discussion threads… and who can do it so? Only who is really interested o Michelle and her career.

And of course, it is made by someone who respects us: “The sound you hear is a million pfans holding their breath, crossing their pfingers, jonesing for more heartbreak.” asking her about future projects…

And also there is the subject of the “Trekkies Pfans”… well, I could guess that Michelle didn’t care about her fans, actually it isn’t a must for her… we are pfans because we admire her, independently if she know it or not, We love her anyway.

But I’ve read that the most of us are annoyed and bothered for her words: “Like Trekkies. I have fans. I have puh-fans.” Well, in the first place I’m not triying forgive her for her words, I just trying understand and explain that she is saying (or at least that her words have meant for me): we all here know that “Trekkies” are fans of Star Trek saga, so that she uses the word “Trekkies” isn’t that she think we are fans of the series… it is simply her way of call us “freakies” as people a bit obsessed with something… and actually, aren’t we a bit so?

I have puh-fans. They say things? They talk to each other? Well, you know, I’m not connected in that way. It’s probably healthier. I don’t have time, honestly.” Isn’t it actually a way to be a bit freaky? Isn’t it the behavior of a freaky?

Am not I pretty freaky for maintaining this site and spend a little off and free time working on this project?…

I think she haven’t said any lie… simply it the way of the word.

Such I’ve said above… I’m a pfan, I’m proud of being a pfan… and anyway I’ll keep on being a pfan.

Actually, thinking about it, this interview didn’t tell me something that I didn’t know… She is La Pfeiffer… it is the curse of Pfans.

She’s Pfine, Thanks

By Dan Zak
The Washington Post
June 28, 2009

Michelle Pfeiffer

NEW YORK — The list of things Michelle Pfeiffer doesn’t want to hear includes this sentence: “The way I see it, your golden age was 1987 to 1993.”

And yet some of us are idiots, and say it anyway.

She responds with silence. The hotel room freezes over. So, we fumble: Do you, um, think in those terms? In phases?

No, not really,” she says softly.

An excruciating pause follows.

Nm-mm,” she adds for emphasis, shaking her head.

Her blue eyes shimmer. She will win this staring contest.

I sort of don’t look back.”

At all?

No, not really,” she repeats. Then the ice thaws a bit. “I‘ve always had this fear of getting stuck in the past. Becoming, like, Norma Desmond or something.”

Michelle Pfeiffer — siren of cinema, three-time Oscar nominee, the woman on the cover of People’s first-ever issue of “The 50 Most Beautiful People in World” — is 51.

Gloria Swanson was 51 when she played the delusional diva Norma Desmond in “Sunset Boulevard,” about a movie star whose glamour wilted to grotesquerie as her audience moved on to younger idols.

But to become Norma, a star must believe in her own stardom. Norma watches her own movies all day, holed up in her mausoleum of a mansion. Michelle, when she catches “The Witches of Eastwick” on cable, switches the channel. She’ll watch her movies once, but never again. She’s too critical of her work, she says. It’s painful to watch.

She’s been a movie star for 25 years, but no part of the job seems to work for her. Michelle Pfeiffer hates parties. She hates premieres. She’s bad at interviews. She mourns the privacy she sacrificed long ago, though moving her family to Northern California and taking a five-year hiatus from movies helped a bit. If she had her way, she would not be cooped up in a hotel room in Manhattan talking about her latest movie, “Chéri,” even though it’s her first real lead role in almost a decade — never mind those two recent movies that went straight to DVD.

Twenty years ago she played a doe-eyed girl victimized by social predators in “Dangerous Liaisons.” Now, in another adaptation of French literature with the same director, she plays a wealthy courtesan named Lea de Lonval who starts to feel the tiny ravages of time when she shacks up with a man half her age.

Mmm,” she says, contemplating these career bookends. “Literally, the virgin and the whore. And everything in between, from then until now.”

Where is Michelle Pfeiffer now?

Hard to say. She’s coy. She sits right here, close enough for her wrinkles to show, but she might as well be a million miles away. The eyes are otherworldly. The face seems cared for, but not drastically altered. She looks — everybody says this — good. And it matters. Beauty is an integral part of her career, and now she’s playing a character who must reconcile her aging looks with her chosen profession.

The pfans, naturally, are excited for this movie, which came out last week. You know, the pfans, with a “pf”?

The what?” she asks.

The pfans.

I don’t know what that is,” she says.

P-F-A-N-S. The people whose pfoolish hearts pfell pfor you, your pface, your pfilms, etc. They’re the wonderful people out there, in the dark reaches of blogosphere, who kept talking about you while you were gone, who refer to you as “our Michelle.”

Oh, my gosh,” she says, laughing. “Like Trekkies. I have fans. I have puh-fans. They say things? They talk to each other? Well, you know, I’m not connected in that way. It’s probably healthier. I don’t have time, honestly.”

She laughs again. This is either rehearsed ignorance or gee-whiz nonchalance. Either way, the sound you hear is a million pfan hearts breaking.

* * *

Her voice lowers to a horrified whisper when talking about one of her first jobs in Hollywood. She played a character called Bombshell in a 1979 TV series spinoff of “Animal House.”

Oh my gosh, it was so bad,” she says, almost inaudibly, crossing her eyes for effect. “And I wore hot pants and high heels, and they had falsies on me out to here. It was just really horrible and, in a way, it was a blessing because I never wanted to go back to that.”

Born in Santa Ana, Calif., Pfeiffer was a beach bum who bagged groceries at Vons supermarket and was crowned Miss Orange County in the late ’70s. She got an agent and played Tony Danza’s girlfriend, Suzie Q, a waitress who dreams of becoming an actress, in 1980’s “The Hollywood Knights.” Two years later, with no vocal or dance training, she strutted her way through “Grease 2” in a pink satin jacket. No one came out of that movie looking good, which is why, rumor has it, Brian De Palma didn’t want to consider her for the role of Tony Montana’s cokehead girlfriend in “Scarface.”

But she got that role, too, and created her first enduring cinematic image by entering the film in a glass elevator, wearing a backless teal dress slit to her hips. She had the right look, a tractor-beam allure, and now she was playing a bombshell with substance.

I think it legitimized me, in a way,” Pfeiffer says of “Scarface.” Irresistible beauty was “part of the tragedy of the character. In the same way it’s part of the tragedy of Lea [in "Chéri"]. Their survival depends on their beauty.”

So it was for Pfeiffer herself, even after she took 10 years of acting classes, even when she entered her golden age.

She’s the most wonderful woman that ever lived,” gushes Matthew Broderick in the 1985 fantasy “Ladyhawke.”

You’re the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen,” Kurt Russell tells her in the 1988 potboiler “Tequila Sunrise.”

I must have you or die,” utters John Malkovich in “Dangerous Liaisons.”

Two movies made her the superstar she insists she never intended to be. In 1989’s “The Fabulous Baker Boys,” she stumbled into Jeff and Beau Bridges‘ cabaret act as Susie Diamond, a sarcastic call girl with a decent voice and an animal magnetism. She bewitched the Baker boys by singing “More Than You Know” as her audition piece, and immortalized herself by rendering “Makin’ Whoopee” on top of a grand piano.

It’s an iconic moment. Pfeiffer, in a red dress under a hazy spotlight, furls and unfurls on the piano as the camera circles her, catching every gorgeous curve but unable to penetrate Susie Diamond’s true nature. It was a perfect marriage of actor and character. Equally iconic was her Catwoman in 1992’s “Batman Returns.” Pfeiffer, vacuum-sealed in a leather suit, played the villain as a fetish gone horribly wrong.

Sexpot and serious actress. Talented and tantalizing.

I started out really just hoping to make a living,” she says. “I’m sure a lot of people were surprised that I became famous. It wasn’t really my agenda. . . . There was no reason for me to succeed.”

Hot” and “ubiquitous,” this paper called her in 1989.

Michelle Pfeiffer: The Problems of Being Perfect” went a Rolling Stone cover headline from 1992.

Wrote Roger Ebert in his “Baker Boys” review: “This is one of the movies they will use as a document, years from now, when they begin to trace the steps by which Pfeiffer became a great star.”

* * *

And then, phase 2.

She’s rumored to have passed on “The Silence of the Lambs,” “Thelma and Louise” and “Basic Instinct.” She adopted a baby girl in 1993, married TV writer/producer David E. Kelley that same year, had a son with him, and made People’s beautiful people list six times that decade while turning out subpar movies (“Dangerous Minds,” “Up Close & Personal,” “The Story of Us“). After 2002’s “White Oleander,” Pfeiffer dropped off the radar to spend time at home, without a glance backward.

She’s not big on mementos, but there are things she wishes she’d kept. The red dress from “Baker Boys” might’ve fetched a small fortune for charity, she says. Same goes for the cat suit. She did save a whip from “Batman Returns,” but she’s not sure where it is.

In her world, there are no Pfeiffer movies, only Pfeiffer paintings. Oils are her hobby. She paints portraits. She has a trove of them in her basement. All are unfinished.

I’m about to gesso over them,” she says, waving her hand through the air. “Wipe them out and start over.”

* * *

The duties of a 21st-century female movie star include:

1. Loudly champion a cause.

2. Sell age-defying makeup.

3. Strut on red carpets regularly.

4. Get a prime-time TV series.

Sharon Stone, Angela Bassett and Holly Hunter are hitting 51 this year, and they dabble in these duties to varying degrees. For the most part, Michelle Pfeiffer refrains.

It used to make my old agent crazy,” she says, slipping into a haughty accent: ” ‘Well, Michelle, Michelle, you know, it really would be good for you to be seen. It just reminds people that you’re around.’ ” She rolls her eyes.

After small roles in “Hairspray” and “Stardust,” Pfeiffer watched helplessly as two movies went straight to DVD. In “I Could Never Be Your Woman,” she hooks up with Paul Rudd, who is 11 years her junior. In “Personal Effects,” the love interest is Ashton Kutcher, who is 20 years younger. Distribution deals for both films went sour.

It was all really mixed up,” she says, putting her hand to her forehead in exasperation.

Now she finally has a movie that’s all about her, co-starring a love interest who is 23 years younger, so she’s being a good sport with the media. She’s skinny as a stick on the cover of July’s In Style magazine. She’s giving interviews about how she hates the predatory tone of the word “cougar.” She stammered through Letterman and “The View” and “The Early Show,” where anchor Harry Smith opened his interview with, “You mind my saying you look terrific?”

No, she doesn’t mind. Her looks, as always, can’t be ignored. And now — playing a legendary beauty confronting society’s changing expectations — neither can her age. In one memorable shot in “Chéri,” the camera holds her face in close-up for a solid 30 seconds. The lighting grows harsher, until her face seems drained, lopsided, alien. Old. Un-Pfeifferlike.

She seemed quite uniquely qualified” for this role, says “Chéri” director Stephen Frears. “Her career, her life has been so involved with beauty that it must’ve been a blessing and a burden.”

For her, the age thing (like the golden-age thing) is just another contrivance.

It’s on people’s minds,” she says, resigned. “I think people are struggling with the concept of how much do you let go and age gracefully. How much do you try to, you know, fight it and stave it off?”

Good question. How much of Norma Desmond is actually in Michelle Pfeiffer, and what should she let go, and what must she keep, and is another golden age possible, and how is she really doing at this precarious point in her career?

You know what?” she says. “I’m fine.”

So there it is. She’s fine, if a bit tired. She’s more than you’ll ever know.

As for what comes next, there’s a potential project that would start in the fall. She may be recharged by then, she says. She may do it. (The sound you hear is a million pfans holding their breath, crossing their pfingers, jonesing for more heartbreak.)

Source: The Washington Post

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  • sugar said:

    I`ve read this interview and I think she was joking if she was not well ,whatever,the showbiz is like this and the world to.I always liked her and I always will,she does not know who we are, and saying this in an abstracted way without seeing the faces it really seems like freky stuff…

  • alex said:

    I think that, as she said, is more healthy to her don’t be connected with the pfnas on internet.

    Do you imagine a person reading all that is writen in internet about her? Probably, she has contact with some of his/her fans but she won’t read all of the informations, news, opinions about her on the net. I t would be crazy for her. I wouln’t do it.

    We enjoy this web and others and we have fun and feel good reading things about an actress that we admire and talking about, but always with purposes of fun.

  • laura said:

    I really dont understand why we should be offended I FEEL GOOD that know michelle knows she has BIG FANS…. i think that michelle realy was oblivous to the fact she had people who liked to follow what she did and were madly IN LOVE WITH HER haha…. I think she was shocked that she had PFANS… and the trekkie comment to me isnt rude, because isnt that wat we are??

    BIG FANS, OWN NICKNAME, OBSESSED WITH SOMETHING…. michelle???? YES, I KNOW I AM!!!

  • tachu said:

    The list of things Michelle Pfeiffer doesn’t want to hear includes this sentence: “The way I see it, your golden age was 1987 to 1993.”

    And yet some of us are idiots, and say it anyway.

    Well, I can say this:

    Some of us can really be idiots, and rude.

    And I can add all this:

    Critic success. She can shine in lesser films like A thousand acres 1997, White Oleander 2002, Stardust 2007. She can shine in pretty decent films, like Cheri 2009. She can get ravishing reviews for these performances. And she can be ignored in awards season, as always.

    Box-office success. Dangerous minds 1995: she alone can open a film with box-office success Who knew it till then?

    She is in big box-office movies like What lies beneath 2000, Hairspray 2007, and she can attract new pfans, as we all know in this site

    She can create memorable villains: Velma, Lamia, Ingrid,…

    She can act, dance and sing, while looking great.

    She is beautiful, did you know that? And it is still important to be beautiful to get a job in Hollywood. Wolf 1994: She is gorgeous on it. Gorgeous.
    I could never be your woman 2007, she continues to be gorgeous years later.
    She can be a beautiful fairy queen in a 1999 Shakespeare adaptation.

    She is a wonderful partner. One fine day 1996. I still haven’t found a better match to George Clooney. They have terrific chemistry. They both are memorable on this underrated film.

    She can voice animation films. Who knew it before 1993? The Simpsons, The prince of Egypt, Sinbad 1993, 1998, 2003.

    She isn’t afraid of risky business: Personal effects, Trekkies, ;-D…

    She can be so much better than the film she is in….

    Too much for a passed golden age, I think.

    So maybe the golden girl is out, but we have the golden woman now, and she has magic every time she appears on screen.

    An let’s remember there are second golden ages, silver and bronze ages, comebacks, etc.

    Long cinema-life to Pfeiffer.

  • addicted2drwho said:

    I wasn’t offended by the interview I think she was honestly surprised that she could be that famous and have ‘pfans’ she doesn’t like to be in the public eye remember!

  • tachu said:

    I don’t want to repeat myself, you all know my opinion about that by now, but I really think she can’t pretend to be so NAIVE about fans. She doesn’t need to read their opinions, talk to them, etc, but she should know they are there. She is a cinema STAR, nothing less. And so she has star power. They put her face on the poster of a movie to sell it, and people will go to the cinema to see her, she earns good money for her work, she is in the cover of the magazines, she is invited to late shows, morning shows, parties, and I bet you all that she KNOWS all that.

    She can CHOOSE to take it easy, be natural, shy and reserved, just the way she is, and not to expose herself they way other ’stars’ do, and we’ll love her for that, but… I think she can’t pretend that she doesn’t know about fans, or pfans. Because I’m afraid that’s NOT TRUE. She loves to be an actress, not to be famous, but if she hasn’t fans ready to spend their money and nobody goes to see her movies, can you tell me where could she find work? what had she be doing for a living? She’s an ACTRESS, and a good one. She has been a PRODUCER. So I think it’s a better and more sincere answer to say that she doesn’t know what the hell that Pfan thing is, but that she knows that star fandom exist and it’s important for any career in this bussiness.

    She has famously said that she feels she isn’t SUPPORTIVE enough. And I feel that’s sadly true. Colleges, reporters and fans has felt it by now… so who will support her in her next film, in the next award’s season? Her donkeys?

    You are in the game, or you are not.

  • Marc said:

    We don’t have to take this “trekkie” comment so seriously, it’s just a simple comparision she make laugthing when she heards about her “Pfans”. It must be strange to know there are so many people interested in you and your work and calls themselves as Pfans… But we love to be fans of her so let’s just enjoy about it.

    I also think is healthier for her not to get envolved with all things written in Internet about her. But of course she must be proud to know she has so many people out there that really admire her and her work.

  • Tim said:

    tachu, I actually think that she doesn’t really know about pfans on a high level. I mean, she didn’t even remember she was on The Simpsons before. When a person asked her to sign something Simpsons related, I remember her saying that she wasn’t in that, but she had actually done a voice for it before.

    As far as pfans goes, I’m sure she knows about us a little bit, in the back of her mind, but she’s not looking us up and seeing what we have to say. I mean, if she looked us up, to like, Juanita’s forums (which I am proudly a part of) I think she might slit her wrists considering how critical some people are of her work hahaha. I mean, it’s ok for us to talk amongst each other and be critical on that level, because we are her pfans, that’s what we do. That’s what we like to talk about. But it wouldn’t be healthy for Michelle Pfeiffer herself to read these things, not at all. So the MORE she distances herself from us, I think, the better. She is human after all. We do not treat her like a human. We look at every flaw. We harp on every word she says in an interview, like we are right now. We do not treat her like a human being who says weird sht sometimes.

    It’s not like she’s Kathy Griffin and she’s going to read up on what people are saying about her. That’s not how she handles her career, and that’s why we like her. We’re not Grfrans, we’re Pfans. For a reason. We really are the equivalent of her trekkies. I don’t know anyone in reality to talk to Michelle Pfeiffer about, so I go on the internet to find other people like me. We’re a rare bunch.

    I mean when I went to watch Cheri, the entire audience was mostly OLD people, lol. Some “younger” rich looking people were there too, blonde, in their 30s and 40s, but mostly young. Not a single 16 year old around. Hell, I was the only 26 year old, I was definitely the youngest on in there.

    So in order for me to talk to people around my age about MP (Fran, you’re around my age right? haha) I have to go online. And my friend will call me up and say “What are you doing Tim? Watching a Michelle Pfeiffer movie?” (That’s what I’m known for) And I’ll say “No, I’m on her forums.”

    It’s like, yea, I’m a “weirdo” in a sense bc I like her so much, and we all are, we are her “trekkies” and we shouldn’t be against that. We’re pfans and I for one am damn proud to be one. And since we say good stuff about MP, AND bad stuff (re: Personal Effects), I personally do not want Michelle Pfeiffer to read ANY of our comments. She should continue doing what she does, and ignore us. Her work is art, but it’s also a job. And her job isn’t to fulfill our every need. It’s to make movies. Let’s remember that.

  • Mexiie =] said:

    Tim, well said and I think she said was funny! Besides the interviewer was a little harsh marking Pfans as a bad thing, when its actually a good thing because at least she knows she has fans out there who admire her! I’m only 14 and I think anybady has the sense to make that out. Lol and for the “trekkies” remark, well now she has a nickname for us lol!

  • Mexiie =] said:

    Oh and I love Kathy Griffin I think shes HILARIOUS! life on the D list cracks me up!

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